Judgement Appeal from a judgment and decree of the High Court (May 26, 1913) affirming the decree of the Subordinate Judge of Mainpuri. The first six respondents were members of a joint Hindu family, governed by the Mitakshara, Bhup Singh being the father and the other five his sons and grandsons. On January 6, 1883, Bhup Singh borrowed Rs.200 from one Bhagirath under a hypothecation bond which stated that the money was borrowed to meet the necessity of Bhup Singh. The bond provided for interest at Rs.18 per month, subject to half-yearly rests, and hypothecated a one-biswa share in a zamindari, the property of the joint family, but described as belonging to the borrower. In 1884 Bhup Singh mortgaged the same property together with other joint family property to the father of the appellants. In 1893 the appellants, their father being dead, sued to enforce the mortgage of 1884, and a decree was made in their favour conditional upon their discharging the prior mortgage in favour of Bhagirath. They accordingly paid the amount due upon the bond into Court under 8. 83 of Act IV. of 1882 ; the Court paid the money over to Bhagirath, and the bond was made over to the appellants. The appellants executed their decree against the property comprised in their mortgage of 1884 and themselves became the purchasers. In 1910 the appellants instituted the present suit upon the bond of 1883 against the respondents, namely, Bhup Singh, his sons and grandsons, together with certain persons who were in possession of part of the property under mortgages and sales subsequently made by Bhup Singh. They claimed Rs.15,000, together with further interest, and, in default of payment, a sale. The defendants, so far as is material to the present decision, pleaded that the money was not borrowed for family necessity. The Subordinate Judge found that it was not so borrowed, and dismissed the suit. The High Court, after disposing of other contentions raised by the appellants, said " ii, is next urged that it lay upon the defendants to show that the debt was incurred for immorality, or for some other purpose not justified by Hindu law, and that unless this was proved the plaintiffs ought to get a decree. The Full Bench ruling of this Court in Chandradeo Singh v. Mata Prasad (1. L. R. 31 Allah. The Full Bench ruling of this Court in Chandradeo Singh v. Mata Prasad (1. L. R. 31 Allah. 176.) is contrary to that contention." The appeal was accordingly dismissed. The High Court, considering that a substantial question of law was involved, gave leave to appeal. 1917. Jan. 25, 26. De Gruyther, K.C., and W. A. Raikes, for the appellants. It not being proved that the debt was tainted with immorality, the appellants were entitled to a decree. The view of the minority of two judges in Chandradeo Singh v. Mata Prasad (I. L. R. 31 Allah. 176.) was correct and that of the three judges forming the majority, erroneous. The power of the father of a Mitakshara joint family to alienate the joint family property so as to bind his sons rests upon the pious duty of the sons to discharge the debts of the father unless they are incurred for immoral purposes. The decisions of the Privy Council speak of an antecedent debt, but that expression connotes no distinction which, in the case of a mortgage, would exclude the debt which is the consideration for its execution. Lord Hobhouse in delivering the judgment of the Board in Musmmat Nanomi Bahuasin v. Modun Mohun (( 1885) L. R. 13Ind. Ap. 1.) said that " the sons cannot set up their rights against their fathers alienation for an antecedent debt, or against his creditors remedies for their debts," and this appears to include the remedies of a mortgagee upon his mortgage. The question as to whether the debt for which a mortgage is executed is an antecedent debt within the meaning of the various decisions of the Board has been a matter of great conflict of opinion in Indian High Courts. The decision, however, of the Calcutta High Court in Maheswar Butt Tewari v. Kishun Singh (I. L. R. 34 Calc. 184.) has not been overruled, and it is submitted is right. [Reference was also made to the further decisions in India mentioned in the judgment of their Lordships and to the following decisions of the Privy Council—Hunooman Persauds Case (( 1856) 6 Moo. Ind. Ap. 393, 420.), Girdharee Loll v. Kantoo Lal (( 1874) L. R. 1 Ind. Ap. 321.), Suraj Bunsi Koer v. Sheo Proshad Singh (( 1879) L. R. 6 Ind. Ap. 88.), Bhagbut Pershad v. Girja Koer (( 1888) L. R. 15 Ind. Ap. Ind. Ap. 393, 420.), Girdharee Loll v. Kantoo Lal (( 1874) L. R. 1 Ind. Ap. 321.), Suraj Bunsi Koer v. Sheo Proshad Singh (( 1879) L. R. 6 Ind. Ap. 88.), Bhagbut Pershad v. Girja Koer (( 1888) L. R. 15 Ind. Ap. 99.), Meenakshi Naidu v. Immudi Kanaka (( 1888) L. R. 16 Ind. Ap. 1.), and Madho Parshad v. Mehrban Singh. (( 1890) L. R. 17 Ind. Ap. 194.)] The respondents did not appear. March 9. The judgment of their Lordships was delivered by LORD SHAW OP DUNFERMLINE. This is an appeal from a judgment and decree of the Allahabad High Court dated May 26, 1913, which confirmed on an appeal the judgment and decree of the Subordinate Judge of Mainpuri dated February 29, 1912. The suit is brought to enforce a mortgage granted so far back as January 6, 1883, over, inter alia, one biswa zamindari share in Mauza Pendat, Pargana Mustaphabad. The mortgage was granted in favour of one Bhagirath. It was paid off by the plaintiffs in the course of a suit brought by them to enforce a subsequent security granted over the same and other property. It appears from the judgment appealed from that the plaintiffs proceeded against the property comprised in their own mortgage and that the decree-holders themselves purchased the property. All this happened over twenty years ago. It is manifest from these facts that, in so far as the advance of Rs.200 was concerned, a claim for repayment of it as a simple debt would be long ago barred by limitation. Accordingly it is the mortgage which is sued upon, and the plaintiffs claim as standing in right of it, they having discharged the debt of Bhagirath, the original mortgagee. Their Lordships had not the advantage of hearing any argument in support of the judgment appealed from, the respondents not being represented by counsel; but there is sufficient in the case to suggest that other elements going to dispute the validity of the appellants claim might have been brought before the Board. Their Lordships had not the advantage of hearing any argument in support of the judgment appealed from, the respondents not being represented by counsel; but there is sufficient in the case to suggest that other elements going to dispute the validity of the appellants claim might have been brought before the Board. Their Lordships, however, were willing to consider the arguments sub mitted to them upon the one particular point hereafter to be explained, and they agree with the argument of the learned counsel for the appellants that, in view of a certain conflict of decisions in the various Courts in India, it may be well that the point should be settled. The mortgagor was the defendant Bhup Singh. His sons and grandsons were also defendants. Under the Mitakshara law they are, as members of a joint family, coparceners in the ownership of the property over which the mortgage was granted. It is well to keep the general principle applicable to such a situation in mind. There have been so many decisions by Courts of law on the exception to the principle that the principle itself has been apt to be forgotten. Under the law of the Mitakshara the joint family property owned, as stated by all the members of the family as coparceners, cannot be the subject of a gift, sale, or mortgage by one coparcener except with the consent, express or implied, of all the other coparceners. Any deed of gift, salt, or mortgage granted by one coparcener on his own account of or over the joint family property is invalid ; the estate is wholly unaffected by it, and its entirety stands free of it. The rule of the Mitakshara is clear (c. 1, s. 13 v. 27); even the father " is subject to the control of his sons and the rest in regard to the immovable estate, whether acquired by himself or inherited from his father or other predecessor; since it is ordained though immovable or bipeds have been acquired by a man himself a gift or sale of them should not be made without convening all the sons. " The law of the Mitakshara has, however, given to the father in his capacity of manager and head of the family certain powers with reference to the joint family property. " The law of the Mitakshara has, however, given to the father in his capacity of manager and head of the family certain powers with reference to the joint family property. The general principle in regard to that matter is that he is at liberty to affect or to dispose of the joint prperty in respect of purposes denominated necessary purposes. The principle in regard to this is analogous to that of the power vested in the head of a religious endowment or math, or in the guardian of an infant family. In all of the cases where it can be established that the estate itself that is under administration demanded, or the family interests justified, the expenditure, then those entitled to the estate are bound by the transaction. It is not accurate to describe this as either inconsistent with or an exception to the fundamental rule of the Mitakshara. For where estate or family necessity exists, that necessity rests upon the coparceners as a whole, and it is proper to imply a consent of all of them to that act of the one which such necessity has demanded. This view is in no way novel. In Suraj Bunsi Koer v. Sheo Proshad Singh (L. R. 6 Ind. Ap. 88, 101.) Sir James Colvile said " All are agreed that the alienation of any portion of the joint estate, without such express or implied authority, may be impeached by the coparceners, and that such an authority will be implied, at least in the case of minors, if it can be shown that the alienation was made by the managing member of the family for legitimate family purposes. It is not so clearly settled whether, in order to bind adult coparceners, their express consent is not required." But for the exception immediately to be noted, these two principles would cover the ground, and it would be clear that if the father of a family purported or presumed to mortgage or sell the joint family estate the mortgage or sale would be entirely ineffectual. Before dealing with that exception, their Lordships desire to note an argument presented, to the following effect. It was argued that a mortgage was binding because of an obligation of religion and piety which is placed upon the sons and grandsons, under the Mitakshara law, to discharge their fathers debts. Before dealing with that exception, their Lordships desire to note an argument presented, to the following effect. It was argued that a mortgage was binding because of an obligation of religion and piety which is placed upon the sons and grandsons, under the Mitakshara law, to discharge their fathers debts. If, accordingly, he has incurred a debt, and the debt was not for immoral purposes, the pious obligation resting upon the sons and grandsons to discharge this debt is in practice worked out by giving effect to any mortgage or sale of the family property, in which they, with the father, its manager, were joint owners, so as to enable the debt to be discharged. While the father, however, remains in life, the attempt to affect the sons and grandsons shares in the property in respect merely of their pious obligation to pay off their fathers debts, and not in respect of the debt having been truly incurred for the interest of the estate itself, which they with their father jointly own, must fail; and the simplest of all reasons may be assigned for this, namely, that before the fathers death he may pay off the debt, or after his death there may be ample personal estate belonging to the father himself out of which the debt may be discharged. In short, responsibility to meet the fathers debts is one thing, and the validity of a mortgage over the joint estate is quite another thing. Accordingly the case founded merely upon pious obligation, and so strenuously argued before the Board, fails in the present instance by reason of the fact that Bhup Singh, who contracted the debt, is still alive, and that there are concurrent findings by both of the Courts below to the effect that the plaintiffs have failed to prove that the debt of Rs.200, for which the mortgage was granted, was incurred for any legal necessity or benefit to the estate. The whole of this part of the case is accordingly at an end. But while the principles as above set forth still stand, an appeal is made in this case to the following exception. The whole of this part of the case is accordingly at an end. But while the principles as above set forth still stand, an appeal is made in this case to the following exception. Although the correct and general principle be that if the debt was not for the benefit of an estate then the manager should have no power either of mortgage or sale of that estate in order to meet such a debt, yet an exception has been made to cover the case of mortgage or sale by the father in consideration of an antecedent debt. This being an exception from a general and sound principle, their Lordships are of opinion that the exception should not be extended and should be very carefully guarded. They desire, in the first place, to make it clear that much if not all of the law upon this subject has arisen from the necessity of protecting the rights of third persons, say the purchasers of the property who have taken their title for onerous consideration and in good faith. This is at the bottom of the doctrine of onus, which was dealt with so fully by Knight Bruce L.J. in Hunooman Persaud Panday v. Mussumat Babooee Munraj Koonweree. (6 Moo. Ind. Ap. 393,) "According to the argument," said the learned judge, 11 if a factum of a deed of charge by a manager for an infant be established and the fact of the advance be proved, the presumption of law is prima facie to support the charge and the onus of disprov ing it rests on the heir." His Lordship controverts any such general proposition, and decides that the onus of proof in such suits is one "not capable of a general and inflexible answer. The presumption proper to be made will vary with circumstances and must be regulated by and dependent on them. The presumption proper to be made will vary with circumstances and must be regulated by and dependent on them. Thus where the mortgagee himself, with whom the transaction took place, is setting up a charge in his favour made by one whose title to alienate he necessarily knew to be limited and qualified, he may be reasonably expected to allege and prove facts presumably better known to him than to the infant heir, namely, those facts which embody the representations made to him of the alleged needs of the estate and the motives influencing his immediate loan." The point need not be pursued because their Lordships are entirely satisfied with the position adopted by the Courts below in the present case. The facts are startling. The advance itself was for a trifling amount, namely, Rs.200, but the interest was Rs.l.8 per cent, per month compound. Accordingly the amount due upon the mortgage, if good and subsisting, was, as stated by the High Court, " the appalling sum of Rs.22,131." In point of fact the mortgage is asked to be enforced for a sum of Rs.15,000. The lapse of time between the date of the mortgage and the date of the suit was twenty-seven years, nothing having been done upon it during that period. The onus was accordingly properly laid and the issue of no benefit to the estate is settled. As has been already observed, too little weight has been attached to the consideration that, so far as the joint family estate is concerned, the law has been invoked for the protection of third parties, whose rights in or with regard to it have been acquired in good faith. A perusal of the numerous authorities will show that where a joint family property has been sold out and out, or where a decree in execution of the mortgage has been obtained against the property, and rights have thus sprung up with regard to the joint family estate, these rights are not to be defeated by the members of the joint family simply questioning the transaction entered into by its head. In the case of Suraj Bunsi Koer v. Sheo Proshad Singh (L. R. 6 Ind. Ap. 88,101.), already referred to, Sir James Colvile, referring to the case of Girdharee Lall v. Kantoo Lall (L. R. 1 Ind. Ap. In the case of Suraj Bunsi Koer v. Sheo Proshad Singh (L. R. 6 Ind. Ap. 88,101.), already referred to, Sir James Colvile, referring to the case of Girdharee Lall v. Kantoo Lall (L. R. 1 Ind. Ap. 321.), observed " that case is undoubtedly an authority for these propositions —1st. That where joint ancestral property has passed out of a joint family, either under a conveyance executed by a father in consideration of an antecedent debt, or in order to raise money to pay off an antecedent debt, or under a sale in execution of a decree for the fathers debt, his sons by reason of their duty to pay their fathers debts, cannot recover that property, unless they show that the debts were contracted for immoral purposes, and that the purchasers had notice that they were so contracted; and 2ndly. That the purchasers at an execution sale, being strangers to the suit, if they have not notice that the debts were so contracted, are not bound to make inquiry beyond what appears on the face of the proceedings." Their Lordships desire to record their adhesion to the following comment made on this pronouncement by Sir John Stanley in the case of Chandradeo Singh v. Mata Prasad. (I. L. R. 31 Allah. 176, 196.) The learned Chief Justice stated " The first of these propositions, it will be observed, deals with cases where joint ancestral property has passed out of a joint family, either under a conveyance executed by a father in consideration of an antecedent debt or in order to raise money to pay off an antecedent debt, or under a sale in execution of a decree for the fathers debt. It deals with cases in which ancestral property has passed out of the family, and with no other cases, and the words antecedent debt seem to have been used advisedly. Likewise the . second proposition deals with the case of a purchase at an execution sale. Neither proposition touches a case in which a mortgagee of a Hindu father seeks to enforce his mortgage as against the sons." In their Lordships opinion this is a correct and useful statement of the law. It need only be further stated that, while the case founded on family necessity is excluded, and while the case founded on pious obligation fails, there is a still more radical objection to the claim. It need only be further stated that, while the case founded on family necessity is excluded, and while the case founded on pious obligation fails, there is a still more radical objection to the claim. Can the mortgage be held to have been granted for an antecedent debt ? Antecedent debt, it might be said, there was none, and to call a borrowing made on the occasion of the grant of a mortgage an antecedent debt would be to extend unduly and improperly the whole scope of the exception on that topic. As to this unfortunately there has been much difference of view in the Courts in India. The law was thus stated by Lord Hobhouse in Mussumat Nanomi Babuasin v. Modun Mohun (L. R. 13 Ind. Ap. 1.) " Destructive as it may be of the principle of independent coparcenary rights in the sons, the decisions have, for some time, established the principle that the sons cannot set up their rights against their fathers alienation for an antecedent debt, or against his creditors remedies for their debts, if not tainted with immorality. On this important question of the liability of the joint estate, their Lordships think that there is now no conflict of authority." In their Lordships opinion these expressions, which have been the subject of so much difference of legal opinion, do not give any countenance to the idea that the joint family estate can be effectively Bold or charged in such a manner as to bind the issue of the father, except where the sale or charge has been made in order to discharge an obligation not only antecedently incurred, but incurred wholly apart from the ownership of the joint estate or the security afforded or supposed to be available by such joint estate. The exception being allowed, as in the state of the authorities it must be, it appears to their Lordships to apply, and to apply only, to the case where the fathers debts have been incurred irrespective of the credit obtainable from immovable assets which do not personally belong to him, but are joint family property. The exception being allowed, as in the state of the authorities it must be, it appears to their Lordships to apply, and to apply only, to the case where the fathers debts have been incurred irrespective of the credit obtainable from immovable assets which do not personally belong to him, but are joint family property. In their view of the rights of a father and his creditors, if the principle were extended further, then the exception would be made so wide as in effect to extinguish the sound and wholesome principle itself, namely, that no manager, guardian, or trustee can be entitled for his own purposes to dispose of the estate which is under his charge. In short, it may be said that the rule of this part of the Mitakshara law is that the joint family estate is in this position under his management he can neither obtain money for his own purposes for it, nor can he obtain money for his own purposes upon it. To permit him to do so would enable him to sacrifice those rights which he was bound to conserve. This would be equivalent to sanctioning a plain and, it might be, a deliberate breach of trust. The Mitakshara law does not warrant or legalize any such transaction. The limits of the principle of the exception have been thus set forth because in their Lordships opinion they form a guide to the settlement of the conflict of authority in India on the subject of antecedent debt. In the present case the question arises clear from all complications. . A mortgage has been granted for Us.200 advanced at the time and on the faith of it. This debt was not for the benefit of the estate ; it was purely a debt of the father. It is boldly contended that the mortgage did from its date properly hypothecate the entirety of the joint family estate, and it is said that the transaction substantially is that the father got the Rs.200 into his hands, and that when he granted the mortgage he was accordingly an M antecedent debtor." Their Lordships are of opinion that the contention cannot be upheld. The importance of the case being free from complications is this that except under the mortgage all other remedies have long ago disappeared, and the appellants rear it up and claim under it now, there being no right in them to invoke the doctrine of the pious obligation to discharge the debt incurred by Bhup Singh, because that debt as such cannot be successfully sued for. Accordingly, unless the mortgage validly affects the joint family estate, the appellants must fail. In the view taken by the Board the mortgage was not granted in respect of an antecedent debt, and was invalid. The conflict of authorities cited to the Board is a conflict which occurs not merely between the Courts of one district in India and another, but also between decisions pronounced in Calcutta itself, in Allahabad itself, and in Madras itself. The cases particularly mentioned were as follows —Luchmun Doss v. Giridhur Chowdhry (( 1880) I. L. R. 5 Calc. 855.), Maheswar Dutt Tewari v. Kishun Singh (I. L. R. 34 Calc. 184.), Babu Singh v. Bihari Lal (( 1908) I. L. R. 30 Allah. 156.), Chandradeo Singh v. Mata Prasad (I. L. R. 31 Allah. 176.), Sami Ayyangar v. Ponnammal (( 1897) I. L. R. 21 Madr. 28.), Chidambara Mudaliar v. Koothaperumal (( 1903) I. L. R. 27 Madr. 326.), Venkataramanaya Pantulu v. Venkataramana Doss Pantulu (( 1905) I. L. R. 29 Madr. 200.), and Dattatraya Vishnu v. Vishnu Narayan. (( 1911) I. L. R. 36 Bomb. 68.) From this mass of authority their Lordships venture to refer to the judgment of Sir John Stanley C. J. in Chandradeo Singh v. Mata Prasad. (4) " The true rule," said that learned judge, " is that the son cannot impeach an alienation of ancestral joint family property made by a father for which the consideration is an antecedent debt of the father not tainted with immorality or the object of which is to pay such a debt .... the doctrine has no application to a case in which no antecedent debt of the father, that is, a debt antecedent to the alienation in question, is concerned as the consideration or object of the alienation." The argument in support of the validity of the mortgage also took this shape. the doctrine has no application to a case in which no antecedent debt of the father, that is, a debt antecedent to the alienation in question, is concerned as the consideration or object of the alienation." The argument in support of the validity of the mortgage also took this shape. It was said, " what difference would it make if the father had contracted the debt an hour, a day, a year before granting the mortgage ? Then de facto it would be an antecedent debt, and the creditor would have a mortgage good upon that ground/ Their Lordships cannot assent to any such proposition. The case as put might instantly raise the presumption that what occurred was substantially this that the father contracted the debt knowing that he was at the end of his personal resources and that the creditor advanced the money relying upon an understanding or agreement, express or implied, given to the father. In truth, in order to validate such a transaction of mortgage there must, to give true effect to the doctrine of antecedency in time, be also real dissociation in fact. The Courts in India, wherever such antecedency is found to be unreal and is merely a cover for what is essentially a breach of trust, will not be slow to deny effect to a mortgage so brought into existence. Their Lordships will humbly advise His Majesty that the appeal be disallowed.