MISRA, J. ( 1 ) THIS is a second appeal by some of the defts. in a suit for possession of certain shares in village Goendi, district Faizabad. ( 2 ) THE case of the plff. Jaskaran Shukul (who has since died and is now represented by his legal heirs) was founded upon a permanent lease executed by Mahesh Singh, deft. 5 on 23-11-1940. The latter had already transferred the property under a registered deed of gift dated 15-12-1939 to his three sons, namely, Ram Res Singh, deft. 1, Ram Bahadur Singh, deft. 2 and Sheo Bahadur singh. deft. 3 and his wife, Mt. Lekhraji. Mahesh Singh and his sons were members of a joint Hindu family and the property covered by the deed of gift was ancestral. The suit was resisted by the donees on the basis of the transfer in their favour. The plff. had anticipated the defence and pleaded in para 3 that the gift was fictitious and void adding that the document was legally invalid and ineffective against the plff. and other creditors that it was executed with the object of defeating and delaying creditors that the deed purported to give away the entire property which Mahesh singh possessed and that on the basis thereof no right accrued to defts. 1 to 4. The trial Court overruled the plffs. plea and gave effect to the earlier document holding that it was not executed to delay and defeat the creditors and though the property was ancestral and though the later deed was otherwise binding on the joint family because it was executed for the payment of antecedent debts he came to the conclusion that it must stand defeated if only because Mahesh Singh had no subsisting right to execute it. Jaskaran Snukuls suit was accordingly dismissed by the Munsif. He succeeded, however, in Court of first appeal (Dist. J. , Faizabad), the learned Judges finding being that the transfer in favour of the donee defts. was made in order to defeat and delay the creditors of Mahesh Singh and was as such invalid. The question of fictitiousness of the deed and the plea as to its void nature does not seem to have been either agitated by the parties in the two courts beiow or considered by them. Under the. was made in order to defeat and delay the creditors of Mahesh Singh and was as such invalid. The question of fictitiousness of the deed and the plea as to its void nature does not seem to have been either agitated by the parties in the two courts beiow or considered by them. Under the. Mitak-shara law Mahesh Singh had no right to transfer the property by gilt except in certain specified circumstances. The law in this regard does not admit of much doubt. It is set out concisely in Article 47 Guptas hindu Law, (1945 edn.) and it has not been disputed at the bar. Article 47 states: "no coparcener may make a gift of the whole or any portion of the joint family property. exceptions: (1) Any corparcener may with the consent of the other coparceners make a gift of his undivided interest in she property. (2) A coparcener who is a father may without the consent of his male issue make a gift within reasonable limits of (i) movable property for indispensable acts of duty or through affection, and (ii) immoveable property for pious purposes. (3) A coparcener who is the manager may without the consent of the members of the family make a gift within reasonable limits of immoveable property for pious purposes. (4) A sole surviving coparcener may make a gift of the whole or any portion of the joint family property. explanation: A coparcener may renounce his interest in the joint family property in favour of his coparceners. " the alienation by Mahesh Singh was of the entire ancestral estate. The deed shows that excepting Ram Res Singh, deft. 1, the other two sons, namely, Ram Bahadur Singh and Sheo bahadur Singh were minors, at the date of its execution. We do not know whether the first three donees were the only members of the joint family at the time or whether there were other coparceners also in existence. The wife of the donor who was the fourth beneficiary was undoubtedly a stranger to the ancestral estate. We are clear in these circumstances that the case could not attract the doctrine of surrender or renunciation. There is scarcely any doubt, therefore, that the transfer of 1939 was legally unauthorised and was void ab initio under the Hindu Law. The wife of the donor who was the fourth beneficiary was undoubtedly a stranger to the ancestral estate. We are clear in these circumstances that the case could not attract the doctrine of surrender or renunciation. There is scarcely any doubt, therefore, that the transfer of 1939 was legally unauthorised and was void ab initio under the Hindu Law. The point is purely one of law and can be decided even in second appeal without calling for fresh findings on any questions of fact. ( 3 ) THE Courts below proceeded as have been stated above to determine the case under Section 53, Transfer of Property Act and to consider whether or not the doners intention was to delay or defeat the creditors. That question had obviously no materiality if the gift was void ab initio. most of the arguments urged at the bar before us relate to the plffs. omission to observe the formalities which ought to accompany a suit under Section 53, Transfer of Property Act. It appears to us that these arguments loose their significance in view of what has been said above. ( 4 ) THE suit was essentially for possession on the basis of title under the perpetual lease of 1940. The question of validity of the gift arose only incidentally because the defts. title was made to rest on it. The document was challenged as stated above on the ground that it was fictitious, that it was void and that it was in any event voidable being a transfer made to delay and defeat the creditors. The learned counsel who appeared in the Court of first instance and the Court of first appeal created the suit as being essentially one if the nature contemplated by Section 53, transfer of Property Act but this was obviously wrong for that section, as is well-known, proceeds entirely upon the assumption that the alienation complained of is good and operative but it is liable to be avoided in the interest of the creditors on equitable grounds. A deed which is void or fictitious is in-fructuous. It does not need to be set aside at all. A deed which is void or fictitious is in-fructuous. It does not need to be set aside at all. Obviously, therefore, when such a deed comes into competition with another document which is valid, the latter must prevail not because the former deed offends against the equitable doctrine embodied in Section 53, Transfer of Property Act, but because it is mere waste paper and does not operate and never did operate as a conveyance. ( 5 ) WE think the appeal has no substance. The decision of the lower appellate Court giving effect to the lease executed by Mahesh Singh in favour of the plff. on 23-11-1940, is correct. We dismiss the appeal with costs. .